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Me following the origin of the song, especially after the credits
我一直在思考这首歌的源头,特别是看到片尾后

“坚持住。”
“我的大脑快跟不上了。”
And my brain was already cooking trying to figure out if future Mayuri remembers meeting the grown up Kagari in the past.
我的脑子已经熟了,因为试图去弄明白,如果未来的真有理记起来自己在过去曾遇到过成人版的篝,这该咋办
I think so because doesn't Mayuri say something along the lines of "this song is the reason we met"?
我认为你可以去掉“如果”,真有理不是说了“这首歌就是我们相遇的原因”这句话吗?


IP属地:湖北34楼2018-06-29 17:23
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    搞定收工,收拾去了,最快要下个月才能更新了


    IP属地:湖北35楼2018-06-29 17:24
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      顶顶顶顶


      IP属地:重庆来自iPhone客户端36楼2018-06-29 22:10
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        请理性阅读12话长评,可以有不同的意见,但是切勿迎战互喷。






        IP属地:贵州37楼2018-07-01 14:05
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          休mo息yv了一天恢复更新


          IP属地:湖北38楼2018-07-02 19:31
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            0karin not remembering the song should mean that either he didn't go back to his original world line after meeting Kurisu, or that it's because of Reading Steiner activating when he was on the roof with Amadeus at the end of ep03. I suspect the latter since all the Kagari fuss didn't happen till after Reading Steiner when Suzuha mentioned she's looking for Kagari at ep04.
            Edit:
            I suspect the people that attacked the lab wiped Kagari's memories when she split up with Suzuha, they gained memories from her about the future and a person that made(or rather will make) a time machine (0kabe). I suspect the first time she ran away was an accident on their part and wasn't intentional. However, I think they wiped her memories again at present time so they can find 0kabe. This could tie in with the war scene at the start of ep04.
            冈部不记得那首歌了,这应该是暗示着冈部在和助手见面后,并没有返回原来的世界线(而是进入了新世界线),或者是因为在第三集的结尾,冈部和Amadeus一起在天台上时,他的RS发动了。我觉得很可能是因为后者(RS发动),因为在第4集,铃羽说她在找篝的时候,篝还没有这集里的那些困惑。
            注:
            我怀疑袭击lab的那些人在篝和铃羽分开的那段时间洗去了她的记忆,他们从篝的记忆中得知了未来的事情,知道了有人在(或将要)制造时间机器的事情(这个人就是冈部)。我怀疑篝的首次逃离这件事本身只是那些人的失误,而非他们有意放出的诱饵。但我觉得他们现在会再次洗去篝的记忆,然后他们可以找到冈部。这可能和第4集开头的战争场面联系起来。


            IP属地:湖北39楼2018-07-02 19:49
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              回复上面的
              Even a slight bit of divergence would leave him lacking in memories that a person without Reading Steiner would have. When the divergence happened probably isn't relevant, as it would be nearly impossible to get back to the exact world line he started from once he left it. You could say that even his knowledge of what happened while he was in the Alpha attractor field would constitute divergence, making it impossible for him to return to a world line where he didn't know about time travel.
              即使是世界线的微小变动,也会让冈部缺失一些没有RS能力的人会有的记忆。当世界线变动的发生可能没有实质性影响的时候,比如冈部基本不可能回到原来的,一模一样的世界线。你可能会说,在他位于a线的收束范围内的时候,即使他知道发生了什么,世界线可能会变动,但(他知道发生了什么)这件事使得他没办法返回那个他对时间机器一无所知的世界线了。


              IP属地:湖北40楼2018-07-02 20:02
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                另一个解释
                My take is that they are already in a different world line than the one Kagari came from, but they are still in alpha attractor field non the less.
                Think about it, the origin of Kagari and is the world line she grew up in, where she met Mayuri and learnt the song.
                Kagari time travels (with Suzuha) and pass the song to Okabe in a different world line.
                Although it may seems like a loop from alpha attractor field's perspective... this by all mean is not a loop, the origin of the song came from another 'world-so-to-speak' and you won't be able to find its origin in the world line as seen in episode 12.
                我的猜想是他们所处的世界线已经和篝原来的世界线不一样了,但是他们都位于a线收束范围内。
                仔细想想,篝的世界线是她出生长大的那条世界线,在那条世界线里,她和真有理相遇,知道了那首歌
                篝和铃羽的时间旅行,然后把歌传递给冈部这件事发生在另一条世界线
                即使在a线收束范围内,这看起来是一个闭环....而这其实并不是真的闭环,这首歌的源头是“另一条世界线的交流”,而你在这条世界线是没办法找到它真正的源头的


                IP属地:湖北42楼2018-07-02 20:34
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                  篝的真实年龄又被吐槽了
                  Wait so how old is Kagari? The whole process of the song is confusing.
                  WW3 Myuri -> 10 YO Kagari -> ??? YO Kagari -> Young (looks 10?) Okabe -> Okabe's mother -> Yuki -> Presumably back to future Mayuri.
                  等下,篝到底多大了?歌的传播过程也让人困惑
                  三战真有理——10岁的篝——???岁的篝——年轻的冈部(看上去大约10岁?)——冈部的母亲——由季——似乎又回到了未来的真有理
                  Kagari would be 20 years old currently, when she met Okabe in the past it seems she was around 14-16.
                  篝现在应该20岁了吧,当她遇见冈部的那个时候似乎是14岁到16岁
                  Kagari is 4 years older than Okabe, if he had 10 at the time, then she had 14.
                  Since currently Okabe is 18 and she's 22.
                  篝比冈部大4岁,如果那时的冈部10岁,她应该是14岁
                  因为现在的冈部是18岁,而篝是22岁
                  Wow, she had pretty big... assets... at 14, huh?
                  天,她有很大的....资产....在14岁?
                  she is canonically 14, too.
                  这位也是设定上的14岁


                  IP属地:湖北43楼2018-07-02 20:45
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                    明天继续,今天就到这里


                    IP属地:湖北44楼2018-07-02 20:45
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                      睡前更新一波


                      IP属地:湖北45楼2018-07-03 21:57
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                        I haven't been enjoying steins;gate 0, so a few days ago I finished re-watching the original to see if I still enjoyed it, and I do! A lot! Does anyone else think steins;gate 0 is boring?
                        我不是很享受观看石头门0的过程,为了确定我是不是已经对石头门系列丧失兴趣了,我前几天又重新看了一遍第一季,结果我发现我依然喜欢石头门,而且是非常喜欢!有人和我一样,觉得石头门0有些无趣的吗?
                        I would wait until the second half.
                        我会等到看到后半段的时候再评价
                        im gonna wait for all the episodes to air and then binge-watch it
                        我要等它出完,然后一口气补完
                        I'd recommend, if you don't mind committing the time, watching episodes 1-23b of the original anime instead of the regular viewing order. 0 is more about how a defeated, beaten-down Okabe deals with his issues and eventually becomes strong enough to save Kurisu again and risk everything else for it, no matter how many times he has to try again.
                        我还是会推荐别人看,如果你有多的时间的话,可以去看看23集的β版,这也是石头门0真正的开头,不要以普通的视角来观看它。石头门0更多的是在讲述一个被压垮的冈部是如何战胜困难,最终成长为一个足够坚强,能够再次拯救助手,并准备为此豁出一切的人,哪怕他要尝试无数次(他也不会放弃)。


                        IP属地:湖北46楼2018-07-03 22:07
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                          后面的评论都是偏差评的好评都在上面
                          Did you binge-watch the original? If so therein lies your problem with 0. You start to lose interest in a show and it's characters when you watch it on a weekly basis more than you would if you were to binge it.
                          I would suggest you wait for the show to finish so you can enjoy it to its utmost potential. I can't wait that long so i'm gonna watch it weekly.
                          你在看第一部时是一口气补完的吗?如果是这样的话,可能0的“问题”都是因为这个。当你没隔一周才能看一次的时候,你会开始对这部番和它的角色失去兴趣,但如果你能最后一口气补完的话,这些都不会成为问题。
                          我建议各位可以先等待它更新完,这样你们就能最大限度的享受它了。我等不了那么久,只能每周每周的追番了。
                          ya but the original had an amazing atmosphere, even if it was just for one episode. Did the director change or something? Steins;gate 0 feels like it's trying way too hard to pull on my heart strings and ends up feeling cheesy (or maybe cringey(or maybe corny(i don't know the difference between the three))).
                          你说的有道理,可原作(第一部)的氛围真的很吸引人,即便一周看一集(也不会失去兴趣)。石头门0是导演换人了还是哪里不对。石头门0感觉一直在努力让我紧张起来,但是每次总是虎头蛇尾(或者尴尬,或者平淡(好吧我不是很清楚这三个词用在这里好不好))
                          yeah, it's a different director this time. I do agree with you that the original felt like it wasn't trying to make you cry, but I don't feel like 0 is doing a bad job at making you cry. Episode 8 was the first time I cried watching Steins;Gate and to me at least it didn't feel forced.
                          恩,这次导演不一样了。我赞成你的看法,第一部感觉像是它没有(刻意煽情)让你哭出来,但我也不觉得石头门0在煽情方面制作的很差。第8集是我看石头门系列的时候第一次流泪,我觉得那段煽情很自然。


                          IP属地:湖北47楼2018-07-03 22:22
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                            放弃思考.jpg
                            Unlike some of you guys I've given up trying to understand and put a meaning behind every scene and decided to just enjoy the show in all its glory. Damn this show was good
                            我可不像你们这些家伙,我已经放弃去思考这些场景及其背后的意义了,我决定就这样享受这部番带来的快乐。
                            石头门0真好看
                            嘟嘟噜是天使.jpg
                            Mayushii's smile is giving me will to live. Mayuri's singing voice soothes my heart.
                            真有理的笑容给了我生活的动力。
                            真有理的歌声抚慰了我的心灵。
                            胡思乱想.jpg
                            I said this once and I'll say it again. Kagari is a replicant. Those people in the white van, during the aftercredits were Blade Runners. Steins;Gate is a Blade Runner spin-off.
                            我第一次这样认为,我以后也会说的。篝是复制人。这些在白色面包车里的人,在片尾的人,都是银翼杀手。石头门则是银翼杀手的复制


                            IP属地:湖北48楼2018-07-03 22:31
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                              早睡早起楼主准备洗洗睡了,今天就到这里


                              IP属地:湖北49楼2018-07-03 22:32
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